Comments on: Buffy The Vampire Slayer – The Sequel! (but wait…) http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392 An episode by episode podcast review of Buffy The Vampire Slayer. Three die hard Buffy fans review each episode and offer thoughts and opinions on characters, events, and impact of the show. Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:27:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: buffyfan http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-13718 buffyfan Sun, 05 Dec 2010 11:48:15 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-13718 wont be seeing it unless they find a way to bring in joss and some of the old cast... wont be seeing it unless they find a way to bring in joss and some of the old cast…

]]> By: NJBEAR http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3590 NJBEAR Sun, 07 Jun 2009 10:47:35 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3590 Argh!! I love this podcast so thats why I'm replying to this article. I've been trying to make peace with this news about the Buffy reboot.Its like..times are hard now..everyone is trying to make a buck,also everyone is jumping on the vampire bandwagon right now with the success of Twilight and True Blood. Joss is so busy with other projects now..Cabin in the woods, Dollhouse, A Dr. Horrible sequel. SMG is with child. It did'nt work with Dark Shadows..It was sad. It did work with Star Trek..it was brilliant. We just have to wait and see..If you dont want to give it power..stop talking about it. Hey Look on the bright side.. maybe they will cast Amy Winehouse as Drusilla! a big fan------>Tony Argh!! I love this podcast so thats why I’m replying to this article. I’ve been trying to make peace with this news about the Buffy reboot.Its like..times are hard now..everyone is trying to make a buck,also everyone is jumping on the vampire bandwagon right now with the success of Twilight and True Blood.
Joss is so busy with other projects now..Cabin in the woods, Dollhouse, A Dr. Horrible sequel. SMG is with child.
It did’nt work with Dark Shadows..It was sad. It did work with Star Trek..it was brilliant. We just have to wait and see..If you dont want to give it power..stop talking about it. Hey Look on the bright side.. maybe they will cast Amy Winehouse as Drusilla!
a big fan——>Tony

]]> By: jords http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3580 jords Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:40:41 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3580 *bows in ASH's direction* and on the day awesome was redefined, we all stood around in awe and watched. Thanks for posting this, Ulrikke! *bows in ASH’s direction* and on the day awesome was redefined, we all stood around in awe and watched.

Thanks for posting this, Ulrikke!

]]> By: Ulrikke http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3578 Ulrikke Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:45:25 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3578 Anyone heard what Athony Head had to say? Doing a Buffy movie without Whedon? “I wouldn’t want to see it, no,” Head admits. “The Kuzuis didn’t do a great job on the movie the first time around. It was Joss’ script at the age of 19, but they changed a lot of it. They said, ‘Look, we know best and we know how to make this movie,’ and it became quite schlocky and high camp.” Head recalls the time when he went to audition for the Buffy series because he loved Whedon’s pilot script so much, and his agent advised him to watch the movie to get the tone of the show before his screen test. “So I did and I went, ‘Oh, that’s not it at all.’ I went in and saw Joss and said, ‘I watched the movie last night!’ And he went, ‘Oh. Did ya?’ I just put it out of my mind. The bottom line is if a movie was ever to be made, it should be made with Joss Whedon, whether it’s a retrospective or not. But it would be madness to do it without him. [The Kazuis] have the rights to because they have the rights to the original movie, but it should be interesting to see. It may be a bit like watching a car wreck.” http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2009/05/anthony-head-on-invisibles-merlin-and-a-possible-buffy-movie.html The man is awsome. Gotta love him for speaking his mind. Anyone heard what Athony Head had to say?

Doing a Buffy movie without Whedon? “I wouldn’t want to see it, no,” Head admits. “The Kuzuis didn’t do a great job on the movie the first time around. It was Joss’ script at the age of 19, but they changed a lot of it. They said, ‘Look, we know best and we know how to make this movie,’ and it became quite schlocky and high camp.” Head recalls the time when he went to audition for the Buffy series because he loved Whedon’s pilot script so much, and his agent advised him to watch the movie to get the tone of the show before his screen test. “So I did and I went, ‘Oh, that’s not it at all.’ I went in and saw Joss and said, ‘I watched the movie last night!’ And he went, ‘Oh. Did ya?’ I just put it out of my mind. The bottom line is if a movie was ever to be made, it should be made with Joss Whedon, whether it’s a retrospective or not. But it would be madness to do it without him. [The Kazuis] have the rights to because they have the rights to the original movie, but it should be interesting to see. It may be a bit like watching a car wreck.”
http://blogs.usaweekend.com/whos_news/2009/05/anthony-head-on-invisibles-merlin-and-a-possible-buffy-movie.html

The man is awsome. Gotta love him for speaking his mind.

]]> By: MetalFRO http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3577 MetalFRO Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:00:16 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3577 Ulrikke - actually I was just drawing a parallel. When someone owns an IP, if they see a potential to exploit that for money, they will. A reboot might be interesting, if it could be done well - for example, if anyone here is old enough (other than me) to remember the miniseries "V", the original was done by Kenneth Johnson, and was a good sci-fi drama that had a fairly rich cast of characters & drew a lot of parallels to the holocaust. The sequel, "V: The Final Battle" was done mostly w/o Johnson in the same way that the original BtVS movie was - he was on board until the network (NBC in this case) decided they wanted to take the story in a different direction, and then he split. Since NBC already owned the rights, they continued & made the sequel. It wasn't as good as the original, but it did move the story along well. Then they kind of derailed when they made the ill-conceived TV series. It was okay, but nowhere near the caliber of even the 2nd miniseries due to overuse of stock footage, sub-par scripting, and replacement of many key characters too early on in the series. Anyway, Kenneth now is looking at possibly doing a "remake" of the original miniseries, but brought up to modern times & w/ more modern socio-political issues in place rather than what made sense in the early 80's. I guess the BtVS took a backward track - the original film was lame, but the TV series that carried on the story line had a much richer canon & development, despite the humble beginnings. But yeah, I'm with you - I'm willing to spend the $7.75 at the closest theater that will probably show it in my area, as long as I know that if it sucks I won't feel obligated to go & buy the DVD later :P Ulrikke – actually I was just drawing a parallel. When someone owns an IP, if they see a potential to exploit that for money, they will. A reboot might be interesting, if it could be done well – for example, if anyone here is old enough (other than me) to remember the miniseries “V”, the original was done by Kenneth Johnson, and was a good sci-fi drama that had a fairly rich cast of characters & drew a lot of parallels to the holocaust. The sequel, “V: The Final Battle” was done mostly w/o Johnson in the same way that the original BtVS movie was – he was on board until the network (NBC in this case) decided they wanted to take the story in a different direction, and then he split. Since NBC already owned the rights, they continued & made the sequel. It wasn’t as good as the original, but it did move the story along well. Then they kind of derailed when they made the ill-conceived TV series. It was okay, but nowhere near the caliber of even the 2nd miniseries due to overuse of stock footage, sub-par scripting, and replacement of many key characters too early on in the series. Anyway, Kenneth now is looking at possibly doing a “remake” of the original miniseries, but brought up to modern times & w/ more modern socio-political issues in place rather than what made sense in the early 80′s. I guess the BtVS took a backward track – the original film was lame, but the TV series that carried on the story line had a much richer canon & development, despite the humble beginnings.

But yeah, I’m with you – I’m willing to spend the $7.75 at the closest theater that will probably show it in my area, as long as I know that if it sucks I won’t feel obligated to go & buy the DVD later :P

]]> By: Ulrikke http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3576 Ulrikke Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:52:35 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3576 MetalFRO, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here? Are you disputing what I said or not? :s For the record (not directed at anyone in particular), my problem lies less in the reboot and more in who's behind it. In an ideal world we'd have Joss or any of the other writers/producers/directors behind BTVS doing this. But I'd survive if it weren't. But seriously; the Kuzuis?! Did anyone actually think the '92 film was any good? Point is I wouldn't mind a reboot so much if I trusted that the people behind it would make anything even remotely related to the kind of movie I'd like to see. Still; I hope it's good. Ah, I was going to say something more, but I'm knackered and I forgot... It probably wouldn't have made much sense anyway. :p MetalFRO, I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say here? Are you disputing what I said or not? :s

For the record (not directed at anyone in particular), my problem lies less in the reboot and more in who’s behind it. In an ideal world we’d have Joss or any of the other writers/producers/directors behind BTVS doing this. But I’d survive if it weren’t. But seriously; the Kuzuis?! Did anyone actually think the ’92 film was any good?
Point is I wouldn’t mind a reboot so much if I trusted that the people behind it would make anything even remotely related to the kind of movie I’d like to see.

Still; I hope it’s good.

Ah, I was going to say something more, but I’m knackered and I forgot… It probably wouldn’t have made much sense anyway. :p

]]> By: Troy http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3533 Troy Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:55:29 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3533 Ulrikke...that's a good point, actually...what are they going to call the movie? "Buffy the Vampire Slayer II...Buffy-less"? However, after having watched an amazingly elegant and completely entertaining reboot this weekend (Star Trek) I'm going to bite my tongue until I see more of what their plans may be. It may be good. (Not that anything indicates that in the slightest...dop! I did it again!) And Daisy...how can you SAY that! We like her enough to do an entire PODCAST about her! I'll give you this...we can certainly be critical of her. But we criticize because we love. Her wardrobe certainly has her good and bad days, but no one really blames SMG for that. As for the fighting style...that's more of a Jason thing (sorry, J, don't mean to throw you under the bus or anything!) =). But it's never bothered me, and I think Kathleen took a little offense to that as well. if I remember right, she piped right up to her defense, telling the story of how she ran too much like a superhero in "The Grudge". Ulrikke…that’s a good point, actually…what are they going to call the movie? “Buffy the Vampire Slayer II…Buffy-less”?

However, after having watched an amazingly elegant and completely entertaining reboot this weekend (Star Trek) I’m going to bite my tongue until I see more of what their plans may be. It may be good. (Not that anything indicates that in the slightest…dop! I did it again!)

And Daisy…how can you SAY that! We like her enough to do an entire PODCAST about her! I’ll give you this…we can certainly be critical of her. But we criticize because we love. Her wardrobe certainly has her good and bad days, but no one really blames SMG for that. As for the fighting style…that’s more of a Jason thing (sorry, J, don’t mean to throw you under the bus or anything!) =). But it’s never bothered me, and I think Kathleen took a little offense to that as well. if I remember right, she piped right up to her defense, telling the story of how she ran too much like a superhero in “The Grudge”.

]]> By: MetalFRO http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3517 MetalFRO Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:15:25 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3517 Ulrikke - it's no different than the studios wanting to make a sequel to the original Stargate movie, even though 10(!) seasons of a well-done TV show have been done, and there's a rich canon already established. Ulrikke – it’s no different than the studios wanting to make a sequel to the original Stargate movie, even though 10(!) seasons of a well-done TV show have been done, and there’s a rich canon already established.

]]> By: Daisy Cutler http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3482 Daisy Cutler Sun, 31 May 2009 07:53:02 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3482 I have been listening to your podcast, and to me it doesn't seem like you actually LIKE the character of Buffy at all, or at least not how SMG portrays her. It seems that you harping on her fighting style, her wardrobe or lack there of, etc .... I always found Buffy to be a very empowering and a wonderful role model for young women. I just don't get the same appreciation of the actual character from you guys. .... I have been listening to your podcast, and to me it doesn’t seem like you actually LIKE the character of Buffy at all, or at least not how SMG portrays her. It seems that you harping on her fighting style, her wardrobe or lack there of, etc …. I always found Buffy to be a very empowering and a wonderful role model for young women. I just don’t get the same appreciation of the actual character from you guys. ….

]]> By: Ulrikke http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3470 Ulrikke Sat, 30 May 2009 21:54:20 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3470 This is just WRONG. I don't care what legal rights they have to BTVS; this story is not theirs to tell. And however few ties there's going to be "our" Buffy, what business do they have rebooting a story that's still being told? Also: If they're going for a whole new slayer, what the hell are they going to call it if they still want people to be aware what inspired the film? "Buffy The Vampire Slayer (who's really called Jessica, but we wanted to keep the name for franchise reasons)"? "[insert name] the Vampire Slayer" would just be stupid. But then, the whole film probably will be. *takes deep breath* This is just WRONG. I don’t care what legal rights they have to BTVS; this story is not theirs to tell. And however few ties there’s going to be “our” Buffy, what business do they have rebooting a story that’s still being told?

Also: If they’re going for a whole new slayer, what the hell are they going to call it if they still want people to be aware what inspired the film? “Buffy The Vampire Slayer (who’s really called Jessica, but we wanted to keep the name for franchise reasons)”? “[insert name] the Vampire Slayer” would just be stupid. But then, the whole film probably will be.

*takes deep breath*

]]> By: jords http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3450 jords Sat, 30 May 2009 03:39:11 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3450 Is it horrible that I would be ok without the TV cast? Not that I don't love them, but if they've said "Enough" then I'm going to respect that. (I understand that not all of them have this attitude, but if I can't have the Scoobs in force, I'd rather not see them in bits & pieces. I'm a whole enchilada kind of gal.) I was mostly outraged at the thought of Joss not being involved. Even more than SMG, JOSS IS BUFFY, and BUFFY IS JOSS. Period. So for me: No Joss? No movie - no way, no how. Is it horrible that I would be ok without the TV cast? Not that I don’t love them, but if they’ve said “Enough” then I’m going to respect that. (I understand that not all of them have this attitude, but if I can’t have the Scoobs in force, I’d rather not see them in bits & pieces. I’m a whole enchilada kind of gal.)

I was mostly outraged at the thought of Joss not being involved. Even more than SMG, JOSS IS BUFFY, and BUFFY IS JOSS. Period. So for me: No Joss? No movie – no way, no how.

]]> By: MetalFRO http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3443 MetalFRO Fri, 29 May 2009 21:22:49 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3443 Anything w/o at least former Buffy writers (Espenson, Petrie as mentioned above) would likely be Buffy in name only, and certainly w/o Joss on board as at least a Creative Consultant I fear that it would probably suck nearly as bad as the first movie. That said, it has the "Buffy" name attached to it, so I'll probably at least go see it in the theater, though I may cry later & desire the previous 2 hours of my life back :P Anything w/o at least former Buffy writers (Espenson, Petrie as mentioned above) would likely be Buffy in name only, and certainly w/o Joss on board as at least a Creative Consultant I fear that it would probably suck nearly as bad as the first movie. That said, it has the “Buffy” name attached to it, so I’ll probably at least go see it in the theater, though I may cry later & desire the previous 2 hours of my life back :P

]]> By: Franklin T Marmoset http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3433 Franklin T Marmoset Fri, 29 May 2009 15:16:58 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3433 P.P.S Sorry about the typos. Half the text in this comment box is not visible, just I just stab the keys and hope for the best. P.P.S Sorry about the typos. Half the text in this comment box is not visible, just I just stab the keys and hope for the best.

]]> By: Franklin T Marmoset http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3432 Franklin T Marmoset Fri, 29 May 2009 15:15:38 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3432 The idea of a Slayer: The Next Generation show always seemed like a good idea to me, but if it was A) on the telly, and B) handled by one of the original Buffy creative types - Whedon if possible but Jane Espenson or Doug Petrie would also be good. This film just seems like a cynical attempt to wring a few more dollars out of the series to , and since it's coming from the makers of a film that was mediocre at best, I don't have high hope. That was classy of Whedon to say he hopes it will be cool, but I bet it's not. P.S. Keep up the good work with the podcast. Very funny and insightful stuff. The idea of a Slayer: The Next Generation show always seemed like a good idea to me, but if it was A) on the telly, and B) handled by one of the original Buffy creative types – Whedon if possible but Jane Espenson or Doug Petrie would also be good. This film just seems like a cynical attempt to wring a few more dollars out of the series to , and since it’s coming from the makers of a film that was mediocre at best, I don’t have high hope.

That was classy of Whedon to say he hopes it will be cool, but I bet it’s not.

P.S. Keep up the good work with the podcast. Very funny and insightful stuff.

]]> By: Jen http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3403 Jen Thu, 28 May 2009 17:50:09 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3403 How can this even be a Buffy movie without Joss? Hasn't Hollywood figured out that alls well in the universe when they leave Joss Whedon alone??!?!?! How can this even be a Buffy movie without Joss? Hasn’t Hollywood figured out
that alls well in the universe when they leave Joss Whedon alone??!?!?!

]]> By: Troy http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3374 Troy Wed, 27 May 2009 19:30:14 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3374 Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll have Pee-Wee Herman in it again. Maybe we’ll get lucky, and they’ll have Pee-Wee Herman in it again.

]]> By: Jason http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3367 Jason Wed, 27 May 2009 13:48:11 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3367 WRAZZZAL FRASZZAL SLEOC ELEWIOWCN AWCO INEWCOWEICNWON!!!! (Donald duck style) Seriously!!! I think it would be OK if they got Joss to do a remix of the first movie (I would have liked to see what the first one would have been had he been left in control) and it was an update with the slayer mythos intact. New slayer, new watcher, new baddie, new Scooby-ish characters (Pike? Please no), fine. But remember what happened last time? "Joss Whedon was so frustrated by how much of his vision was being mishandled and how much of it was being rewritten that he eventually left the set during production and never came back." -IMDB Trivia WRAZZZAL FRASZZAL SLEOC ELEWIOWCN AWCO INEWCOWEICNWON!!!! (Donald duck style)

Seriously!!! I think it would be OK if they got Joss to do a remix of the first movie (I would have liked to see what the first one would have been had he been left in control) and it was an update with the slayer mythos intact. New slayer, new watcher, new baddie, new Scooby-ish characters (Pike? Please no), fine. But remember what happened last time?

“Joss Whedon was so frustrated by how much of his vision was being mishandled and how much of it was being rewritten that he eventually left the set during production and never came back.” -IMDB Trivia

]]> By: Author By Night http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3352 Author By Night Wed, 27 May 2009 01:50:28 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3352 I'd be fine if one of two things happened: - They continued with the "in every generation..." concept... BUT included Joss. That could actually be interesting. - They just did their own thing. Seriously, people have been basing fantasy/sci fi on other fantasy/sci fi since the genre was invented. I’d be fine if one of two things happened:

- They continued with the “in every generation…” concept… BUT included Joss. That could actually be interesting.

- They just did their own thing. Seriously, people have been basing fantasy/sci fi on other fantasy/sci fi since the genre was invented.

]]> By: Pete http://www.watchercast.com/archives/392/comment-page-1#comment-3351 Pete Wed, 27 May 2009 01:46:13 +0000 http://www.watchercast.com/?p=392#comment-3351 I just listened to your podcast for this ep and I think I remember you guys wondering who the band was. I think the singer is Angie Hart. I could be wrong but if it is her, she also sang in the episode from the last season, Conversations with Dead People. I just listened to your podcast for this ep and I think I remember you guys wondering who the band was. I think the singer is Angie Hart. I could be wrong but if it is her, she also sang in the episode from the last season, Conversations with Dead People.

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